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	<title>Comments for IST-Data Services Blog</title>
	<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu</link>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Big Data issue of Nature: uneven, but worth reading by Chris Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/09/11/big-data-issue-of-nature-uneven-but-worth-reading/#comment-3060</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/09/11/big-data-issue-of-nature-uneven-but-worth-reading/#comment-3060</guid>
		<description>I also enjoyed the article titled "The Future of Biocuration" (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7209/full/455047a.html) by Doug Howe, Seung Yon Rhee et al.  Quoting them directly: "Biocuration, the activity of organizing, representing and making biological information accessible to both humans and computers, has become an essential part of biological discovery and biomedical research. But curation increasingly lags behind data generation in funding, development and recognition."  They warn that without proper attention to the role of curation, the massive amounts of data being generated in a range of biological sciences will be stranded and ultimately lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also enjoyed the article titled &#8220;The Future of Biocuration&#8221; (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7209/full/455047a.html) by Doug Howe, Seung Yon Rhee et al.  Quoting them directly: &#8220;Biocuration, the activity of organizing, representing and making biological information accessible to both humans and computers, has become an essential part of biological discovery and biomedical research. But curation increasingly lags behind data generation in funding, development and recognition.&#8221;  They warn that without proper attention to the role of curation, the massive amounts of data being generated in a range of biological sciences will be stranded and ultimately lost.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Seyron Foo</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2726</link>
		<dc:creator>Seyron Foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2726</guid>
		<description>A great start, but I would like to see connections made between students and collaborative work more clearly outlined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great start, but I would like to see connections made between students and collaborative work more clearly outlined.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by nancy lin</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2708</link>
		<dc:creator>nancy lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2708</guid>
		<description>I think, for many campus departments, part of the lure of offsite tools is the fact that it's free.  In the face of budget issues, security concerns go out the backdoor when there are "free" collaboration tools.  To me, having free tools, not just reduced costs, is very important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, for many campus departments, part of the lure of offsite tools is the fact that it&#8217;s free.  In the face of budget issues, security concerns go out the backdoor when there are &#8220;free&#8221; collaboration tools.  To me, having free tools, not just reduced costs, is very important.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Ian Crew</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2623</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Crew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2623</guid>
		<description>Ken:

Yes, you're right that the "big problems" are a bit biased at this point.  We agree.  You're not the first person to point that out (the others were sent privately), and we'll definitely fix that.

Thanks for the feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:</p>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right that the &#8220;big problems&#8221; are a bit biased at this point.  We agree.  You&#8217;re not the first person to point that out (the others were sent privately), and we&#8217;ll definitely fix that.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Rachel Hollowgrass</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2618</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Hollowgrass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2618</guid>
		<description>I'm especially encouraged by goal 2a, "Use open standards for data representation and transport." Staff and faculty who collaborate should not need to be aware of the disparate technologies that connect them. The path to success includes attention to the user experience. Berkeley won't be able to accomplish that without meeting goal 2d, "Develop our IT workforce to support these activities." Skills needed include business analysis and interaction design.

As part of the Kuali Student project, I foresee a strong need for sharing calendar data. Mobile devices will increasingly be part of Berkeley life, adding another layer of varied technologies. Stanford recently replaced its Oracle Calendar implementation with open source Zimbra, with great success:

	http://www.stanford.edu/dept/its/projects/integratedemailcalendar/benefits.html
	http://www.zimbra.com/community/downloads.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m especially encouraged by goal 2a, &#8220;Use open standards for data representation and transport.&#8221; Staff and faculty who collaborate should not need to be aware of the disparate technologies that connect them. The path to success includes attention to the user experience. Berkeley won&#8217;t be able to accomplish that without meeting goal 2d, &#8220;Develop our IT workforce to support these activities.&#8221; Skills needed include business analysis and interaction design.</p>
<p>As part of the Kuali Student project, I foresee a strong need for sharing calendar data. Mobile devices will increasingly be part of Berkeley life, adding another layer of varied technologies. Stanford recently replaced its Oracle Calendar implementation with open source Zimbra, with great success:</p>
<p>	<a href="http://www.stanford.edu/dept/its/projects/integratedemailcalendar/benefits.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stanford.edu/dept/its/projects/integratedemailcalendar/benefits.html</a><br />
	<a href="http://www.zimbra.com/community/downloads.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.zimbra.com/community/downloads.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Ken Geis</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2615</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Geis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2615</guid>
		<description>A couple of passages in the document show a bias towards applied research in the physical and biological sciences.  I hope that you could lose this.  It may be where collaboration is used and needed most currently, but that is because of the amount of resources and activity in those disciplines.  "Humankind's important challenges" definitely extend beyond those disciplines, and the need for collaboration does as well.

Also, either take out the mention of "credit crunch and housing price collapse" or make sure you bridge the gap between that and "most units... face flat or reduced funding for the next several years."

Off topic, I hope the university looks hard at Zotero (http://www.zotero.org/) and the Dataverse Network Project (http://thedata.org/).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of passages in the document show a bias towards applied research in the physical and biological sciences.  I hope that you could lose this.  It may be where collaboration is used and needed most currently, but that is because of the amount of resources and activity in those disciplines.  &#8220;Humankind&#8217;s important challenges&#8221; definitely extend beyond those disciplines, and the need for collaboration does as well.</p>
<p>Also, either take out the mention of &#8220;credit crunch and housing price collapse&#8221; or make sure you bridge the gap between that and &#8220;most units&#8230; face flat or reduced funding for the next several years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Off topic, I hope the university looks hard at Zotero (http://www.zotero.org/) and the Dataverse Network Project (http://thedata.org/).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Ian Crew</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2581</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Crew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2581</guid>
		<description>All:  Thank you for your comments.  They are most helpful.  Please keep them coming.

-----

Rob:

A few responses to your points are below.  We will work on finding ways to make all this clearer in the final version of the strategy.  If you noticed particular spots that were especially unclear, we'd love to hear about them.

1) With this strategy our goal is not to prohibit the use of any particular tool, but rather to encourage the use of a much wider variety of tools.  This is really what the "Embrace the chaos" catch-phrase is all about.  We need to stop thinking that we can control everything and dictate what is or is not used on campus, and shift to a mode where we support the development of communities of practice around the use of collaborative tools (regardless of whether they're from an on-campus or off-campus provider).  

The "Tier 7" you see in strategic goal 3 is designed as a category for tools that are malicious, illegal, or harmful.  We hope that there would be very few if any tools listed in this category.  We'll make that clearer in the final version.

2) At the same time, the university must find a way to reduce the risks and liabilities that inappropriately-handled data can impose.  For example:
- If restricted data is stored inappropriately or transmitted over unsecured networks, that can impose huge financial costs (tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars) on the university, and can also lead to various personal consequences for anyone found responsible for that breach.
- Data stored with outside entities (be they commercial like Google or Amazon, or organizations or consortia) is often stored in data centers in other states or countries, making it subject to different disclosure, legal discovery, and privacy laws.
- Important data stored with an outside provider can be irretrievably lost if the provider shuts down or radically changes their service.  (For example:  What happens if the only copy of a picture of a new frog species was stored on a researcher's Flickr account and Yahoo decides to shut down that service or modify the picture?)
- See section G (pages 69-73) of the document at http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/4_findings.pdf for a more in-depth discussion of these and other similar issues.

3) We feel that the only way to allow the use of a broader range of collaborative tools (#1, above) while minimizing the risk (#2), is to educate and guide the campus community's decisions about which tools to use, with which data, to maximize productivity while minimizing risk and cost.  Via strategic goals 3, 4, and 5, we hope to make the information necessary for members of our campus community to make prudent decisions in this area easily available.

Of course, we could be wrong--the reason we're asking for feedback is to search for even better approaches for managing these issues.  We would definitely appreciate any thoughts about alternative approaches. 

4) We have indeed been talking with many outside vendors of collaborative tools (Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, and others) about these issues and this strategy document.  We have invited them to comment on the draft strategy and participate in this discussion.  We hope they will do so.  

(As an aside: one interesting data point--we're actually quite small when you talk about consumer-oriented services such as GMail, Yahoo Mail, and Hotmail.  According to comScore, in December of 2007--the most recent month I could find data for easily--GMail had about 90 million active users, Hotmail had about 255 million, and Yahoo had about 256 million.  In this case, the roughly 60,000 accounts from UCB or the 250,000 accounts from UC systemwide start to look pretty minimal.  Still, the vendors we have talked to so far have been quite helpful and interested in our feedback.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All:  Thank you for your comments.  They are most helpful.  Please keep them coming.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Rob:</p>
<p>A few responses to your points are below.  We will work on finding ways to make all this clearer in the final version of the strategy.  If you noticed particular spots that were especially unclear, we&#8217;d love to hear about them.</p>
<p>1) With this strategy our goal is not to prohibit the use of any particular tool, but rather to encourage the use of a much wider variety of tools.  This is really what the &#8220;Embrace the chaos&#8221; catch-phrase is all about.  We need to stop thinking that we can control everything and dictate what is or is not used on campus, and shift to a mode where we support the development of communities of practice around the use of collaborative tools (regardless of whether they&#8217;re from an on-campus or off-campus provider).  </p>
<p>The &#8220;Tier 7&#8243; you see in strategic goal 3 is designed as a category for tools that are malicious, illegal, or harmful.  We hope that there would be very few if any tools listed in this category.  We&#8217;ll make that clearer in the final version.</p>
<p>2) At the same time, the university must find a way to reduce the risks and liabilities that inappropriately-handled data can impose.  For example:<br />
- If restricted data is stored inappropriately or transmitted over unsecured networks, that can impose huge financial costs (tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars) on the university, and can also lead to various personal consequences for anyone found responsible for that breach.<br />
- Data stored with outside entities (be they commercial like Google or Amazon, or organizations or consortia) is often stored in data centers in other states or countries, making it subject to different disclosure, legal discovery, and privacy laws.<br />
- Important data stored with an outside provider can be irretrievably lost if the provider shuts down or radically changes their service.  (For example:  What happens if the only copy of a picture of a new frog species was stored on a researcher&#8217;s Flickr account and Yahoo decides to shut down that service or modify the picture?)<br />
- See section G (pages 69-73) of the document at <a href="http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/4_findings.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/4_findings.pdf</a> for a more in-depth discussion of these and other similar issues.</p>
<p>3) We feel that the only way to allow the use of a broader range of collaborative tools (#1, above) while minimizing the risk (#2), is to educate and guide the campus community&#8217;s decisions about which tools to use, with which data, to maximize productivity while minimizing risk and cost.  Via strategic goals 3, 4, and 5, we hope to make the information necessary for members of our campus community to make prudent decisions in this area easily available.</p>
<p>Of course, we could be wrong&#8211;the reason we&#8217;re asking for feedback is to search for even better approaches for managing these issues.  We would definitely appreciate any thoughts about alternative approaches. </p>
<p>4) We have indeed been talking with many outside vendors of collaborative tools (Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, and others) about these issues and this strategy document.  We have invited them to comment on the draft strategy and participate in this discussion.  We hope they will do so.  </p>
<p>(As an aside: one interesting data point&#8211;we&#8217;re actually quite small when you talk about consumer-oriented services such as GMail, Yahoo Mail, and Hotmail.  According to comScore, in December of 2007&#8211;the most recent month I could find data for easily&#8211;GMail had about 90 million active users, Hotmail had about 255 million, and Yahoo had about 256 million.  In this case, the roughly 60,000 accounts from UCB or the 250,000 accounts from UC systemwide start to look pretty minimal.  Still, the vendors we have talked to so far have been quite helpful and interested in our feedback.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Rob Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2574</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2574</guid>
		<description>* If our collaborative strategy is based on the idea that we will
  somehow prohibit people from using highly productive and
  cheaply available tools (Gmail, Google Docs, etc., cheap wifi)
  that don't meet security goals, how successful will this
  strategy be? especially if campus-bred alternatives impact
  unit budget constraints and are less effective?

* Have we talked to Google and other providers to see if a more
  secure arrangement can be made for using their tools? Berkeley
  is big, and UC is huge - they will talk to us.  As these tools
  become more convenient - and free (ad-supported) - we see
  people transferring their campus email addresses to, say, a
  Gmail account with auto-forward of their Berkeley account -
  because very few people can live with a 256-mbyte IMAP account
  in the era of 160-gig PC drives.

* How secure is data via authentication?  when much restricted
  data is provided via email attachments?  or from a source via
  authentication, then downloaded to a home computer, laptop or
  thumb drive?  is there really a great difference in security
  over a non-campus collaborative tool?  how secure is
  authenticated access to CalMail via Eudora, a non-supported
  software tool that is still widely used on campus, compared to
  say Gmail?  in the era of phishing scams, is the weak link in
  the security chain the tool, or the education of the user and
  the inability to really enact ideal security practices when
  alternative practices are far more available and productive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* If our collaborative strategy is based on the idea that we will<br />
  somehow prohibit people from using highly productive and<br />
  cheaply available tools (Gmail, Google Docs, etc., cheap wifi)<br />
  that don&#8217;t meet security goals, how successful will this<br />
  strategy be? especially if campus-bred alternatives impact<br />
  unit budget constraints and are less effective?</p>
<p>* Have we talked to Google and other providers to see if a more<br />
  secure arrangement can be made for using their tools? Berkeley<br />
  is big, and UC is huge - they will talk to us.  As these tools<br />
  become more convenient - and free (ad-supported) - we see<br />
  people transferring their campus email addresses to, say, a<br />
  Gmail account with auto-forward of their Berkeley account -<br />
  because very few people can live with a 256-mbyte IMAP account<br />
  in the era of 160-gig PC drives.</p>
<p>* How secure is data via authentication?  when much restricted<br />
  data is provided via email attachments?  or from a source via<br />
  authentication, then downloaded to a home computer, laptop or<br />
  thumb drive?  is there really a great difference in security<br />
  over a non-campus collaborative tool?  how secure is<br />
  authenticated access to CalMail via Eudora, a non-supported<br />
  software tool that is still widely used on campus, compared to<br />
  say Gmail?  in the era of phishing scams, is the weak link in<br />
  the security chain the tool, or the education of the user and<br />
  the inability to really enact ideal security practices when<br />
  alternative practices are far more available and productive?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Kathleen Phillips Satz</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2571</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Phillips Satz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2571</guid>
		<description>Thank you for incorporating administrative activities.  The use of collaborative tools in administrative work can significantly improve support for the academic and research missions; however, administrative staff are not always expert in the selection and use of such tools, so including these needs in the strategy is welcome. I am also pleased to see Goal 5; staff are often reduced to creating our own informal communities of practice, but the campus could benefit from some level of central coordination and support for user communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for incorporating administrative activities.  The use of collaborative tools in administrative work can significantly improve support for the academic and research missions; however, administrative staff are not always expert in the selection and use of such tools, so including these needs in the strategy is welcome. I am also pleased to see Goal 5; staff are often reduced to creating our own informal communities of practice, but the campus could benefit from some level of central coordination and support for user communities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campus Collaborative Tools Strategy Draft: Please Comment by Gary Struthers</title>
		<link>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2547</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Struthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dsblog.berkeley.edu/2008/08/26/cctsd-2/#comment-2547</guid>
		<description>Sharing intellectual property in a federated environment will need encryption for privacy, digital signatures for non-reputability, and security assertions that can be applied in different security realms. Under a single sign-on system an authorization token and role assertions are used to grant limited access to outside users. A message or document routed to different organizations may need element level security to protect parts of messages and documents not all recipients are authorized for. Different users would be able to read elements of a message intended for them but not what they are unauthorized to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharing intellectual property in a federated environment will need encryption for privacy, digital signatures for non-reputability, and security assertions that can be applied in different security realms. Under a single sign-on system an authorization token and role assertions are used to grant limited access to outside users. A message or document routed to different organizations may need element level security to protect parts of messages and documents not all recipients are authorized for. Different users would be able to read elements of a message intended for them but not what they are unauthorized to see.</p>
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